. >> just to respond to a chain said earlier, i wasn't suggesting that murdoch has bee the result of the conspiracy, but i don't think this story would've gotten nearly nearly a much play, wouldn't have blown up in the way it did have militant taken this gamble to d hired with the guardian. i think that gave us the confidence to go and hired. he would not have done that had he not sign some advantage to doing that. >> it had been the most mysterious they come to a conclusion three weeks before these e >> every staggering. from the murdoch point of view -- [inaudible] >> carry on. go for >> we should bear in mind that it was a series of different things. i mean, not only was it the tao li case the following day, the iraq and afghan families. and also -- >> do you mean there is evidence? >> now, no. i mean, the idea that nob come up with any evidence. >> or a mischievous.